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You may remember that we mentioned bomber damage model changes and increased survivability in the latest Community Update post. Well today we’re ready to share some details about the new damage model for bombers that we’re preparing for in the next major update!
The problem and our findings
When flying bombers, you’ve probably noticed that in some cases, a single hit from an enemy could lead to fatal consequences. The survivability of bombers has long been one of the most discussed topics within the community. We’ve been closely monitoring your feedback while simultaneously gathering our own data on the subject. Over the course of several months, we systematized documentation detailing the results of tests involving various types of ammunition against different aircraft components and structural elements, analyzing how the fuselage, wings, engines and wing spars react to impacts from shells, shrapnel, bullets and missiles. Overall it was quite an undertaking, and we’re now ready to present the initial results.
Source: SHE Beschussversuche (Flugzeug - Flugzeug), Bericht über Kanonenschiessen mit Mirage und Hunter auf Pzj G 13, Hongrin 23./24.9.75, Swiss Federal Archives, E4#1000/781#6*, ref. 2.1, BG vom 23.12.1908 betr. die Organisation des EDI, 1908–1909
Source: SHE Beschussversuche (Flugzeug - Flugzeug), Bericht über Kanonenschiessen mit Mirage und Hunter auf Pzj G 13, Hongrin 23./24.9.75, Swiss Federal Archives, E4#1000/781#6*, ref. 2.1, BG vom 23.12.1908 betr. die Organisation des EDI, 1908–1909
This is the conclusion that we’ve come to: in reality, an aircraft’s structural elements, such as spars, the center wing section, and ribs sustain damage extremely rarely. Small fragments weighing around three grams are simply incapable of compromising the structural integrity of the airframe. Blast damage from external explosions also proved negligible; even high blast-wave pressure on the wing rarely resulted in critical damage.
More than 60% of losses in actual combat were caused by fires in the fuel and oil systems rather than structural failure. Many instances of damage did not result in the immediate loss of the aircraft, but merely forced the pilot to abort the mission and make an emergency landing within 30 minutes, or even up to two hours. Survivability depends heavily on the thickness and material of the skin. Plus, the largest bombers feature a wing box structure in which the upper and lower skin panels also serve as load-bearing elements; these panels are significantly thicker than the skin of conventional spar-based wings, reaching thicknesses of tens of millimeters in certain parts of the structure. Generally speaking, with increase in aircraft speed, the structural integrity and the thickness of the skin also increases. This will also be reflected in the game for aircraft of different time periods.
Source: SHE Beschussversuche (Flugzeug - Flugzeug), Bericht über Kanonenschiessen mit Mirage und Hunter auf Pzj G 13, Hongrin 23./24.9.75, Swiss Federal Archives, E4#1000/781#6*, ref. 2.1, BG vom 23.12.1908 betr. die Organisation des EDI, 1908–1909
Conclusion from our research
Based on our research, we’ve completely overhauled the damage model for bombers. We’ve fixed accumulated errors, adjusted damage accumulation parameters, recalculated hit zones, and updated settings for wing spars, tail assemblies, fuselages, and engines. We’ve adopted a flexible approach: for piston-engined aircraft, we created distinct configurations for inline and radial engines, as well as for varying engine counts ranging from two to six. We also separately tuned jet bombers, which require a different damage calculation logic. Alongside the bombers, we updated the damage models for other aircraft classes derived from bomber airframes, specifically the A-26 Invader and Pe-3 families, the Su-8, Tu-1, and TIS-MA attack aircraft, and the Ju 388 J interceptor.
The bottom line is, even though we’ve only just begun implementing our findings regarding the survivability of aircraft components against various types of projectiles, bombers have become noticeably more resilient. The enemy can still shoot you down of course, but doing so now requires greater effort and more precise aim. Shearing off wings is now significantly harder, instead you should aim accurately at fuel tanks, engines and the crew itself, which is precisely the targets that pilots were advised to aim for in real life. The type of shell or bullet now play a more crucial role as well.
We’ll continue to refine and improve the damage model, rest assured we’re just getting started and have a long road ahead. But we believe we’ll see more bombers taking to the skies of War Thunder!





Comments (150)
Comments will be premoderatedI wonder if certain strike air craft will get new damage models later on e.g IL-2 and P-47 as they were very tanky in game they feel kinda easy to kill same as the frog foot and warthog.
awesome
You mean to say my bombers didn't have paper mache structures in their tails? Who would have thought! Maybe now a pea shooter won't cut off my b-29s tail like the glorious nippon steel wings of the Japanese!
Sounds good to me. My B-29 is is currently 3826 Battles, 53% Victories, 1620 Deaths, 88 Million Silver Lions earned.
would you consider applying this model to fighters and other aircraft?
and one important thing.. you manage some how to ignore.. self sealing tanks.. dont loose fuel.. and dont allow to be in fire for ever....... self sealing means that there is a hole and close.. instant. without any drama. for safety.. fix that too is too inaccurate what happens.. or the use of EFS that kills the engine.. and .. has no use to do so..
There is a video of a bf110 shooting at a b17 in a gunner camera and the b17 is taken every shot
Do these changes apply to other aircraft aswell, especially larger ones, a lot of heavy fighters, some approaching the size of medium bombers (like the p-61) suffer from similar issues and being larger targets generally have the same or less survivability than their single engine counterparts it would make sense for this changes to be implemented as an overhaul for improved aircraft damage models in general, even if gradually over time
Not a bomber person myself but nice to see a slight breeze won't pop a wing off anymore. Will these findings also be applied to other aircraft, like fighters and such, or is it mainly for bombers and bomber derived frames?
Lets see how it turns out. We cant forget that bombers, even like B-17s, arent the Flying Fortresses we remember them as either. American Air Raids were almost always largely demolished until Escort Fighters came in. The US even considered stopping them before they tried that.
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