- For PC
- For MAC
- For Linux
- OS: Windows 7 SP1/8/10 (64 bit)
- Processor: Dual-Core 2.2 GHz
- Memory: 4GB
- Video Card: DirectX 10.1 level video card: AMD Radeon 77XX / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660. The minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 17 GB
- OS: Windows 10/11 (64 bit)
- Processor: Intel Core i5 or Ryzen 5 3600 and better
- Memory: 16 GB and more
- Video Card: DirectX 11 level video card or higher and drivers: Nvidia GeForce 1060 and higher, Radeon RX 570 and higher
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 95 GB
- OS: Mac OS Big Sur 11.0 or newer
- Processor: Core i5, minimum 2.2GHz (Intel Xeon is not supported)
- Memory: 6 GB
- Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 (Mac), or analog from AMD/Nvidia for Mac. Minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p with Metal support.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 17 GB
- OS: Mac OS Big Sur 11.0 or newer
- Processor: Core i7 (Intel Xeon is not supported)
- Memory: 8 GB
- Video Card: Radeon Vega II or higher with Metal support.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 95 GB
- OS: Most modern 64bit Linux distributions
- Processor: Dual-Core 2.4 GHz
- Memory: 4 GB
- Video Card: NVIDIA 660 with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) / similar AMD with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months; the minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p) with Vulkan support.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 17 GB
- OS: Ubuntu 20.04 64bit
- Processor: Intel Core i7
- Memory: 16 GB
- Video Card: NVIDIA 1060 with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) / similar AMD (Radeon RX 570) with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) with Vulkan support.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 95 GB
Dear players! We see that you have many questions and observations about how the economy and progression work in War Thunder. Kirill Yudintsev, creative director of Gaiijn, is best suited to explain all of this.
Player progression is essential. You can't give a player everything at once, because it will overwhelm and make the game very difficult for them and they will just leave it either immediately or almost immediately. This has been tested by us many times in different ways. When applied to our game, later vehicles are almost always more difficult to learn and play tactically, in the controls and with its capabilities. Progression provides opportunities for gradual learning and engaging the players. Without it, the game will lose players right from the start.
In addition, progression serves as one of the basics of how a game makes money (basically players pay for acceleration of progression).
The fundamental difference between paid games and fair play free-2-play games is that you don't have to pay to play free games, and most players don't actually pay.
Most War Thunder players - about 80% - have never paid a dime into a game, whilst playing for months or years. Many of those players who have paid for something in the game don't pay every month (and sometimes not every year) either. Nevertheless, all of the maintenance to the game, all of its development, servers, and support, is provided by those players who pay.
In any game players play only when they have fun. But in a f2p game, players only pay if the game really entertains them. The player is already playing, already having fun, and pays if they want to support the game, or try something new, which is, at the same time, not necessary to enjoy the game (otherwise they would just quit playing and not pay at all).
Hence the unobvious conclusion: the less you have to pay to play the game, the more differently priced paid options it should have, so that those who can afford it can spend more, and those who can't or don't want to can play for free and have fun.
There are many progression and economy options in F2P games. Not all of them are suitable for our game, because War Thunder is about real combat vehicles, which are not equal, differing in power and capabilities.
To quickly and roughly summarize, the general principles of economy and progression in our game:
- vehicles should be unlocked gradually, from simpler and older to more complex and later
- the total time to get the first "top" vehicle should be a balanced (not too long not too short) number of game hours
- the player should at the beginning of the game route (while mastering the game) get new in-game equipment often enough
- The game has to earn money, otherwise it will be closed. And it must make money without a pay wall, so you can play indefinitely without paying anything (so there is no deception that the game is "free" when in fact it is not). Income should provide everyone the opportunity to play a multiplayer game with multiple modes and features
- Progression and economy should, as far as possible, provide a variety of vehicles encountered in battle, otherwise it's just boring. I.e. there should not be too many "farming" vehicles, and especially if they are statistically stronger in battles (otherwise only the same popular vehicles will appear in battle).
- In a game with so many vehicles and modes it's impossible to manually adjust the in-game economy (it's important that it obeys specific rules, and manual changes to them would skew a vehicle’s effectiveness, making some vehicles "bad" and others much better than average, and thus affecting their occurrence in battles).
On the basis of these theses the economy is “adjusted” (algorithmically based on statistics).
About once every couple of years we revise it globally, as new vehicles are added to the current trees, and the rest of the time, to a lesser degree, "correct" the economy, using accumulated statistics.
The current progression and economy system is not the only possible system for game economy principles. There are also, for example, systems based on randomness or on the exchange of virtual objects between players. However, without even considering the limitations on different platforms associated with these options, any such significant changes are unlikely to be well received. After all, our community is formed of people who accept the current economy and progression in basic principles, or rather they may even like it in general.
So it turns out that the main key parameter that we can change without significant harm to the game and players is a revision of the total time to reach the top and get the whole line (with some smaller tweaks like modification research speed, balance of repair\gain and so on). We have already done this kind of revision three times, and it's probably time for the next one. This work takes many weeks, so we will probably show the planned changes in the second half of the summer.
We are no doubt open to other suggestions (and we have many of our own), but we doubt that a complete transformation of the progression into something completely new will be accepted by many players, no matter how much we would like to do it ourselves. We'll still try to come up with something new in the progression, and we'll definitely consider all of your suggestions.
Separately, a few words about review bombing as a method of communication
Separately, a few words about review bombing as a method of communication. As many of our players know - we've repeatedly reverted both planned and already released large and small changes (including in the economy and progression). Due to threads on reddit (where much of the western English-speaking community communicates) and with threads on the forums and comments to articles on the site. We value our players and our game, not our updates and changes. If we know that the majority of the community doesn't want an update, we cancel or revert it immediately. Even if some part supports and some part opposes - we prefer conservatively the "do no harm" principle - keeping the current status quo.
Of course, a review on Steam is also a platform for expression. However, the majority of new players just look at the score evaluation, and do not read the text of reviews and do not go into what they were left for. So review bombing does damage to the game in that new players simply won't try it, while it doesn't raise their awareness of the problems you've noticed. If your goal is not to hurt the game, please use other, less destructive ways. For example, leave feedback in our forum, and suggestions specifically about the economy we are inviting in the feedback form. Also, review bombing will not cause modifying or nullifying in-game prices - if the game is shut down, no one wins.
Radical, revolutionary changes in games that have been around for years are always very difficult to make, because they will almost certainly break gameplay for a significant part of the players. We try to proceed according to the principle "do no harm" and change the game carefully. However, if a topic receives a lot of support from the community - we do everything possible to support the players. We commit to follow the feedback even more carefully in the future and take it into account when defining our plans for the development of the game.
If you still have questions - ask in the comments, and in the future we will try to clarify all unclear points.
Comments (269)
Comments will be premoderatedActually you say the right point. Hardworking, paying and relaxing, one player must choose one. If he wants to reach top, he need to pay; no pay, he has to work hard; neither, he can be relax but cannot reach top. However, what you say is different from what you do. You are blocking players reaching top by working hard, only by paying. In this situation, how can a player feel entertained and pay for WT?
First of all, there are several people in your Player base that actually work in the Game industry themselves, Don't assume that we don't know how Game Design works !! Second There are other ways of monetization that other Free to Play games have a massive example would be cosmetics !!! I am Greek I would willingly pay 10-20 Dollars for a skin even 50 dollars for a Skin like the F-16 ZEUS!! Finally, you guys should give a look at positive vs negative reinforcement!! Hint: You are using negative!
There is a point where you go from a F2P game that is fun and profitable to a game that is absolutely about milking your customers as much as possible and then deciding that its not enough. Fix your game, own up to your mistakes, don't blame us for YOUR greed.
you have wrong.. Gaijin.. lvl 15.. with 1 70$ tank. just and only for grind...and go ruin matches ...in br without having to learn the game.. we give in the game money.. and play long time and love the game what we have to do? i grind hard the game and the progression is painful. even with prem acc .... is hard.. last night i try to play 7.3 T54 it took me 9 games to get the parts and fire... what i supposed to do.. why you dont help the people and you cripple the SL.
someone can explain me something.. 4300 1 kill..on uptier.. with my 9.3 tanks... my tanks the same time cost 10000K each.....final score 1.300 cause of win..... hm.. favorable..i love to play top tier.. with 0 reward or something to motivates me to do so.. NO. i will not...... why the modules are so painful high to get.. how i enjoy something almost stock for 40games .. help the players to help you(pay/money/buy).as a long LoL player that thing did not happen there.
I have 3000 hours in-game and have been paying heavily, my friend has just under 1k and is F2P. I do not currently have any single 11.7 ground or 12.0 air vehicle and my friend is at 7.3 on 2 trees. Most people I played with who were paying players have left, I have only 2 friends left still active in game. I constantly make decisions whether or not to spawn second or third vehicle based on team performance. Steps taken to improve the game and explanations given by Gaijin are complete opposites.
Look, Everyone already said what I want to say, many times over... Repair costs are outrageous, and even with premium, it is almost PAINFUL... nonprem aircraft still requires you to have a GOOD game to break even esp in jets, where matches are just... short RP grind is not that bad, some trees could be rebalanced for the better, we just want the SL grind to not be as painful, especially if you HAVE to buy nearly everything in a tree to get top rank vehicles.
i love the game some times i pay for somthing i dont really need like prem tank while i finish the all line already just to support the game but i wish if the prem makes more income RP+SL
This resonse is DICE/EA "dont like it dont buy it" and look how it went for them. You have an audacity to explain players that play this game for years what F2P is? There are many F2P games and there are many full priced games that makes tons of money. You should listen to us not we bending to you. You dont get it do you? If I pay for premium let me progress and be profitable. The slowest grind fest and punishment for playing the game. Fix your attidute and game Gaijin. This is not fun.
As a player who spent a lot of time and money into this game, I wish that at least the vehicles I grinded out or paid for will not be nerfed over time by either characteristics or rewards. Previous updates showed that developers do not care about releasing a shiny toy and turning it into a rusty pile months later. If my negative comment addressing this will hurt the game, it will be noticed. At the end, I will lose source of fun and move on, but you will lose the job. Please your player base.
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