- For PC
- For MAC
- For Linux
- OS: Windows 7 SP1/8/10 (64 bit)
- Processor: Dual-Core 2.2 GHz
- Memory: 4GB
- Video Card: DirectX 10.1 level video card: AMD Radeon 77XX / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660. The minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 17 GB
- OS: Windows 10/11 (64 bit)
- Processor: Intel Core i5 or Ryzen 5 3600 and better
- Memory: 16 GB and more
- Video Card: DirectX 11 level video card or higher and drivers: Nvidia GeForce 1060 and higher, Radeon RX 570 and higher
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 95 GB
- OS: Mac OS Big Sur 11.0 or newer
- Processor: Core i5, minimum 2.2GHz (Intel Xeon is not supported)
- Memory: 6 GB
- Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 (Mac), or analog from AMD/Nvidia for Mac. Minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p with Metal support.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 17 GB
- OS: Mac OS Big Sur 11.0 or newer
- Processor: Core i7 (Intel Xeon is not supported)
- Memory: 8 GB
- Video Card: Radeon Vega II or higher with Metal support.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 95 GB
- OS: Most modern 64bit Linux distributions
- Processor: Dual-Core 2.4 GHz
- Memory: 4 GB
- Video Card: NVIDIA 660 with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) / similar AMD with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months; the minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p) with Vulkan support.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 17 GB
- OS: Ubuntu 20.04 64bit
- Processor: Intel Core i7
- Memory: 16 GB
- Video Card: NVIDIA 1060 with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) / similar AMD (Radeon RX 570) with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) with Vulkan support.
- Network: Broadband Internet connection
- Hard Drive: 95 GB
Dear players! We see that you have many questions and observations about how the economy and progression work in War Thunder. Kirill Yudintsev, creative director of Gaiijn, is best suited to explain all of this.
Player progression is essential. You can't give a player everything at once, because it will overwhelm and make the game very difficult for them and they will just leave it either immediately or almost immediately. This has been tested by us many times in different ways. When applied to our game, later vehicles are almost always more difficult to learn and play tactically, in the controls and with its capabilities. Progression provides opportunities for gradual learning and engaging the players. Without it, the game will lose players right from the start.
In addition, progression serves as one of the basics of how a game makes money (basically players pay for acceleration of progression).
The fundamental difference between paid games and fair play free-2-play games is that you don't have to pay to play free games, and most players don't actually pay.
Most War Thunder players - about 80% - have never paid a dime into a game, whilst playing for months or years. Many of those players who have paid for something in the game don't pay every month (and sometimes not every year) either. Nevertheless, all of the maintenance to the game, all of its development, servers, and support, is provided by those players who pay.
In any game players play only when they have fun. But in a f2p game, players only pay if the game really entertains them. The player is already playing, already having fun, and pays if they want to support the game, or try something new, which is, at the same time, not necessary to enjoy the game (otherwise they would just quit playing and not pay at all).
Hence the unobvious conclusion: the less you have to pay to play the game, the more differently priced paid options it should have, so that those who can afford it can spend more, and those who can't or don't want to can play for free and have fun.
There are many progression and economy options in F2P games. Not all of them are suitable for our game, because War Thunder is about real combat vehicles, which are not equal, differing in power and capabilities.
To quickly and roughly summarize, the general principles of economy and progression in our game:
- vehicles should be unlocked gradually, from simpler and older to more complex and later
- the total time to get the first "top" vehicle should be a balanced (not too long not too short) number of game hours
- the player should at the beginning of the game route (while mastering the game) get new in-game equipment often enough
- The game has to earn money, otherwise it will be closed. And it must make money without a pay wall, so you can play indefinitely without paying anything (so there is no deception that the game is "free" when in fact it is not). Income should provide everyone the opportunity to play a multiplayer game with multiple modes and features
- Progression and economy should, as far as possible, provide a variety of vehicles encountered in battle, otherwise it's just boring. I.e. there should not be too many "farming" vehicles, and especially if they are statistically stronger in battles (otherwise only the same popular vehicles will appear in battle).
- In a game with so many vehicles and modes it's impossible to manually adjust the in-game economy (it's important that it obeys specific rules, and manual changes to them would skew a vehicle’s effectiveness, making some vehicles "bad" and others much better than average, and thus affecting their occurrence in battles).
On the basis of these theses the economy is “adjusted” (algorithmically based on statistics).
About once every couple of years we revise it globally, as new vehicles are added to the current trees, and the rest of the time, to a lesser degree, "correct" the economy, using accumulated statistics.
The current progression and economy system is not the only possible system for game economy principles. There are also, for example, systems based on randomness or on the exchange of virtual objects between players. However, without even considering the limitations on different platforms associated with these options, any such significant changes are unlikely to be well received. After all, our community is formed of people who accept the current economy and progression in basic principles, or rather they may even like it in general.
So it turns out that the main key parameter that we can change without significant harm to the game and players is a revision of the total time to reach the top and get the whole line (with some smaller tweaks like modification research speed, balance of repair\gain and so on). We have already done this kind of revision three times, and it's probably time for the next one. This work takes many weeks, so we will probably show the planned changes in the second half of the summer.
We are no doubt open to other suggestions (and we have many of our own), but we doubt that a complete transformation of the progression into something completely new will be accepted by many players, no matter how much we would like to do it ourselves. We'll still try to come up with something new in the progression, and we'll definitely consider all of your suggestions.
Separately, a few words about review bombing as a method of communication
Separately, a few words about review bombing as a method of communication. As many of our players know - we've repeatedly reverted both planned and already released large and small changes (including in the economy and progression). Due to threads on reddit (where much of the western English-speaking community communicates) and with threads on the forums and comments to articles on the site. We value our players and our game, not our updates and changes. If we know that the majority of the community doesn't want an update, we cancel or revert it immediately. Even if some part supports and some part opposes - we prefer conservatively the "do no harm" principle - keeping the current status quo.
Of course, a review on Steam is also a platform for expression. However, the majority of new players just look at the score evaluation, and do not read the text of reviews and do not go into what they were left for. So review bombing does damage to the game in that new players simply won't try it, while it doesn't raise their awareness of the problems you've noticed. If your goal is not to hurt the game, please use other, less destructive ways. For example, leave feedback in our forum, and suggestions specifically about the economy we are inviting in the feedback form. Also, review bombing will not cause modifying or nullifying in-game prices - if the game is shut down, no one wins.
Radical, revolutionary changes in games that have been around for years are always very difficult to make, because they will almost certainly break gameplay for a significant part of the players. We try to proceed according to the principle "do no harm" and change the game carefully. However, if a topic receives a lot of support from the community - we do everything possible to support the players. We commit to follow the feedback even more carefully in the future and take it into account when defining our plans for the development of the game.
If you still have questions - ask in the comments, and in the future we will try to clarify all unclear points.
Comments (269)
Comments will be premoderatedAs someone who has played for almost 10 years, I still do not have every WW2 vehicle. There is no 'progression' in this game. Playing jets is a pipe dream.
There are a lot of things said about the current state of the game, so I don't I need to comment on that. What I have wondered about since the longest time (I started playing WT when the tanks first came out) is why we can't buy regular tech tree tanks? Preferably against low prices, so that instead of a single premium, you could opt to buy a small lineup (10-ish euros per tank). This means once you learned the game you don't have to restart the grind in every tech tree over and over again.
To start off I really like Warthunder. We all get the free to play process but the vast amount of vehicles and constant grind is starting to effect players and the game. We get you guys have to make money but when you implement negative changes you lose more players and lose more money = a dead game. Also it can’t be said that players need to lead the lower ranks when high rank premiums are thing, so invalid. If anything more vehicles need to be folded to spread players amongst ranks.
Most people tend to forgot that this is a f2p game, of course they gonna do something that makes player need to spend money on; but also, that everything cost money, especially in a live service game and it's a one-time purchase. The problem is that you guys from what I read and watch on YT just play RB top tier mode and nothing else, try playing other mode, lower BR sometimes and you will know that it ain't all that bad. Prime example like me who been playing for 10 years and never pay a dime.
Overall I enjoy the game. I have probably spent over 12k USD in 2 years of play. I spend so much because it’s so difficult for an average player to make any progress, NOT because I’m necessarily enjoying the grind. Yes I’m happy overall, but my biggest beef is with spawn camping and maps allowing you to be sniped at cap from near the other teams cap far away. When I was new i nearly quit the game for good because who wants to play over and over making no RP or SL thanks to dying upon spawn?
For me this game is unique of its kind i love it but also hate it at the same time like soo many players do. I have many problems with the gameincluding the SL gain and repaircost. When i began playing this game several years ago i was dedicated to get myself a Top Tier Tank but now after those years i dont even wanna move on from WW2 tanks as Top Tier is just Hell for only Tank Players from CAS killing you and all the BS you adding to annoy Tank players. Make the Game fun again for me please
You keep pushing a nerf the economy so that you need both a premium account and premium vehicle to make any money. You did it with Air SIM with the "useful actions" crap that's still in place and then you tried to do it to the rest of the player base. I stopped giving you money after you killed the Air SIM economy. I'm glad others also took that action with this recent attempt to mess them over. If there was no "useful actions" economy in Air SIM I'd have spent hundreds more here instead of DCS
I mean the article is what we want to hear… I don’t mind spending money but people also want content they desire. Yamato for naval, historically accurate maps and battles, and tech trees of their own nation. I mean these are some of the comments that I’ve heard from the newer player base. But ultimately it’s wiser to hear from the veterans of the game
Great article but I already know how it works even before you post it, I'm French and I would like to share the opinion of my colleagues in my squadron or even people I met on War Thunder France (a discord server): I haven't met any who said that reverting the economy is a bad idea, moreover, many said that repairing the tanks had become useless and frustrating, I even met a new player who didn't understand why it's there. Others have gone on to other topics such as reversing the economic change
1. if i get a single kill as a F2P with a vehicle either plane or a tank i should get my repair cost covered + 1k to 3K silver lions and more with premium account same goes for RP right now its very time consuming to grind any tech tree with a premium vehicle and premium account such as Russian tech tree specially ground it would take me up to 6 to 7 months this includes getting every single vehicle in that tech tree other smaller nations like Sweden would take maybe 2 to 4 months
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